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re: Like hydrogen without oxygen? Politics, Economics and Society in Chavez's 21st Century Socialism @ Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:19 PM
Yes, the existing neoliberal development model is not working for the poor, but that doesn’t mean that Mr Chavez’s model will. We have seen such figures rise in recent decades -- from Nkrumah to Mugabe, Peron to Castro, and what they have in common is their professed concern for the common person. What makes Mr Chavez any different?
Also, words are cheap. Yes, he is giving away money to help the poor (like any other politically inspired bi-lateral donor) but is his development model somehow better than theirs? Have he and his development advisors really created a development plan to help the poor more effectively?
If I see real development coming from his efforts, not just politics and ‘hearts and minds’ aid, then I will take him more seriously as a development actor.
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re: Like hydrogen without oxygen? Politics, Economics and Society in Chavez's 21st Century Socialism @ Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:06 AM
I completely agree with Lauren's argument that the nature of the political system is crucial for understanding the differences between the "social democratic" and "populist" lefts in LA. Countries that have strong political systems, such as Chile, Brazil and Uruguay tend to have social democratic governments that work throught the systems' checks and balances that tend to produce compromises and gradual change. Populist regimes tend to work through majoritarianism and personalistic politics
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re: Like hydrogen without oxygen? Politics, Economics and Society in Chavez's 21st Century Socialism @ Friday, June 02, 2006 1:08 AM
While Lula in Brazil was elected by the democratic process, he has shown scant regard for it since then and seems to want to lead Brazil to a "democratic dictatorship", as Chaves is doing to Venezuela. The scandals of the last year have exposed the Workers Party grand plan of using stolen public money to purchase permanent political support from corrupt opposition politicians. When they are caught red-handed, their colleagues vote them innocent: "He who is without sin..."
This is allied with assistencialist programs among the permanently uneducated poorer classes, who believe that a President is good if they get a free food parcel per month. Almost 9 million families are on this program.
With these policies, it looks likely that Lula can be re-elected in October this year, which he will interprete as carte blanche to plunder public money for the next four years, and drive the future which is Brazil´s right even further over the horizon.
President Hugo Chavez opened last night's Canning House speech by saying that making economic policy without consideration for social goals is like having hydrogen without oxygen - in other words, having only half of the ingredients necessary to create water and therefore sustain life. His vision of '21st Century Socialism' spelled out in the speech and other recent statements and publications involves using economic policy - namely the revenues of Venezuela's ongoing petrol boom - to fund social spending in health, education and nutrition. The President was awash with statistics about how well this 'new model' is doing in reinventing Venezuelan society, and in presenting an alternative to moribund global economic models.
While the validity of the statistics cited by the President may rightfully be debated by each side of the pro and anti-Chavez camp, a more fruitful discussion may involve questioning what has happened to the 'forgotten third' element necessary to sustain national life - politics. This is not to say that the President's 'socialism' is apolitical, it is indeed far from it, as the chanting pro and anti protestors outside last night's venue attest to. But the classical conception of 'political economy' - or economics as a social science intrinsically linked to politics - is somehow strangely absent from the conversation on Latin America's current trajectory. Few are looking at the political roots of the economic and social challenges at hand - or the consequences of these trends on the fabric of Latin American political institutions.
Many recent commentators (including those at ODI) have been at pains to point out that the emergence of the Latin American 'left' is far from a homogenous trend. The divergence between Latin American leaders pursuing moderate versions of European-style social democracy (Lula, Bachelet) and those pursuing more nationalistic and radically redistributive socio-economic models (Chavez, Morales) has much to do with the underlying structure of the pre-existing political system. Connections between organised politics (e.g. political parties) and citizens run deep in the countries in which the former are being pursued. Lula's Worker's Party (PT) for example is an 'old' party, and almost unquestionably Brazil's strongest and most disciplined. In a country where deputies switch parties at will in order to escape the directives of party whips, the PT is marked by an unusually high loyalty from its politicians. Additionally the PT has always enjoyed a close connection to its grass roots base. And while the natural compromises of governing over the past four years have put some strain on those ties, it is clear that Brazilian democracy is more formally linked to its active civil society than is the case in either Venezuela or Bolivia, where leaders have emerged from either loosely structured popular dissatisfaction and / or alternative power sources (e.g. the military) rather than through the testing ground of the institutionalised democratic system.
This in turn means that the dedication of such leaders to preserving these institutions is necessarily weaker. While some may argue that the institutions weren't worth upholding in the first place, it is clear that undermining them without building something in their place will simply leave a vacuum when today's leaders fade from public life (or run out of natural resource revenues - however unimaginable this may be in a period where the increasing price of petrol seems a 'structural' feature of the international economy), impoverishing the country's social, economic and political future.
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# re: Like hydrogen without oxygen? Politics, Economics and Society in Chavez's 21st Century Socialism @ Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:19 PM
Yes, the existing neoliberal development model is not working for the poor, but that doesn’t mean that Mr Chavez’s model will. We have seen such figures rise in recent decades -- from Nkrumah to Mugabe, Peron to Castro, and what they have in common is their professed concern for the common person. What makes Mr Chavez any different?Also, words are cheap. Yes, he is giving away money to help the poor (like any other politically inspired bi-lateral donor) but is his development model somehow better than theirs? Have he and his development advisors really created a development plan to help the poor more effectively?
If I see real development coming from his efforts, not just politics and ‘hearts and minds’ aid, then I will take him more seriously as a development actor.
Diana Cammack, ODI
D Cammack
# re: Like hydrogen without oxygen? Politics, Economics and Society in Chavez's 21st Century Socialism @ Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:06 AM
I completely agree with Lauren's argument that the nature of the political system is crucial for understanding the differences between the "social democratic" and "populist" lefts in LA. Countries that have strong political systems, such as Chile, Brazil and Uruguay tend to have social democratic governments that work throught the systems' checks and balances that tend to produce compromises and gradual change. Populist regimes tend to work through majoritarianism and personalistic politicsFrancisco Panizza
# re: Like hydrogen without oxygen? Politics, Economics and Society in Chavez's 21st Century Socialism @ Friday, June 02, 2006 1:08 AM
While Lula in Brazil was elected by the democratic process, he has shown scant regard for it since then and seems to want to lead Brazil to a "democratic dictatorship", as Chaves is doing to Venezuela. The scandals of the last year have exposed the Workers Party grand plan of using stolen public money to purchase permanent political support from corrupt opposition politicians. When they are caught red-handed, their colleagues vote them innocent: "He who is without sin..."This is allied with assistencialist programs among the permanently uneducated poorer classes, who believe that a President is good if they get a free food parcel per month. Almost 9 million families are on this program.
With these policies, it looks likely that Lula can be re-elected in October this year, which he will interprete as carte blanche to plunder public money for the next four years, and drive the future which is Brazil´s right even further over the horizon.
Martin Riordan